The writer of the blog ‘Just Some Stuff About Life As I See It,’ has posted an essay about when the suffering from depression and suicidal thoughts might trump the needs of those close to us. When would it become legitimate to take our own lives, knowing this would hurt those around us? Or is suicide always unacceptably ‘selfish?’ Do we ever get to put our own pain before others’ needs? The discussion got me going. I left a really long comment, something that I ordinarily try to avoid. A good blog post gets the audience thinking, and this post accomplished that with me, in spades. As has become habitual, I am going to post what I wrote to someone else on my main page, on the faith that it may interest others. My apologies to JSS for clogging the comments space. I’ve been shaky emotionally lately (you’ll see that if you read on,) and have been a bit impulsive of late. Here’s a slightly edited version of my rant:
This topic brings up so much for me. My mother killed herself during my first grade year. My father’s marriage to the mistress that broke up their marriage (there were other issues, but that was a giant one,) led to my mom’s final spiral down the drain. She had spent years suffering with the most dreadful depression: shock treatments x 30, many hospitalizations, and so on. Before she died, she took me aside one day and told me I now had a ‘new mommy,’ referring to my dad’s new wife. I had just met the woman, and she had about as much warmth as an advancing glacier.
I know my mother thought she was helping my sister and me. I know she felt her maternal skills were nil, and that her depression was harming us. I know (or at least like to believe) that she thought we would be better off without her.
She could not have been more wrong. Imagine the absolute worse child abuse you can think of. Then take 90% of that, and you have an idea of how I was treated by my stepmother. It could have been worse, but not by much. The next step would have been her murdering me, which she almost did.
I felt terribly watching my mother suffer. She used to pray to God: “Please! Let me die!” Not the most uplifting thing for a six-year-old to hear, but it moved me. I felt her torment in my own heart, and in a child-like way understood her need for relief.
I understand it even better today, because that is where I am, right now. My moods fluctuate rapidly. Just a few days ago I was in a much better place. But last night the only factor keeping me alive was my wife.
It’s not so much a question of selfishness for me. It’s a question of not wanting to repay my wife by killing myself, after she has fought tooth and nail to keep me alive as I’ve flirted with suicide for ten years. I love her and do not want to treat her that way. If I loved her less, I would be dead already.
The other thing is, I know that over time I am actually improving. The amount of time I spend feeling like death is the only answer is diminishing. The proportion of time I feel like I can open my heart and ‘accept it all’ is increasing. I have written about this on my blog of late, as readers know.
I am sorry my response stretches on so long. But this is a hot-button issue for me, and it compels me to tell my story. I make no moral judgment about other’s choices. Morality is not what it’s about. The point, to the extent I can keep it in mind, is that life is short. I am trying to endure the pain, enjoy the better times when they sprint by, and live out my natural life span.
I believe that is best for me, not just those around me. I will be dead soon enough, and I might as well try to learn something while I’m here, even if it hurts. It is best for my wife, even though there have been times when she has deeply regretted getting connected with me.
I am not sure that staying alive just to avoid being ‘selfish,’ makes sense. Ideally, we should aim for a different kind of selfishness. We should grasp for what is rightfully ours: our peace of mind. We should be childish and jealous and self-aggrandizing, and pluck our lives from the maws of our demons. But living only because of grudging feelings of guilt is not really living. Does that mean its morally acceptable to commit suicide? Like I say, I don’t think morality should play into it. We should concentrate on love, and on those times that are tolerable or even enjoyable, however rare. My experience with suicidal thoughts and horrible depressions is that they always pass. I have been tempted to take that irrevocable step many times, and have always gone on to live days I enjoyed. It is hard, almost impossible, to remember this basic truth in the deepest pits of despair. Yet it remains true. Suicide is irreversible. Life is short. What I need is not happiness, which is even more transient than depression, but patience. If I can hold on through the horrible, screeching, blood-raining storms, I always find sunny days further down the road.
My goal is not to suffer endlessly on the cross; I am not a martyr. I want to climb down from the pain whenever I can, pick a couple of roses, and hand them to the one who loves me. The smile I get in response is enough to keep me going for another day.
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susan at http://ifyouregoingthoughhellkeepgoing.blogspot.com/
Totally understand. ALmost like I could have written it, though you did a much better job. Been so suicidal lately, the only thing keeping me here is the cat. Who would clean her box and feed her until I was found? She might starve! I know that sounds silly, but it saves me.
I am getting near the third anniversary of the ex walking out on me, stating he couldn’t live with someone who is depressed, even though we are both bipolar, and I nursed him through many depressive states. I wanted to die then too, but the weird thing was I wasn’t suicidal. Not then.
Posted at November 11, 2009 on 5:46pm.
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Will at http://willspirit.com
Susan–
Living for an animal is not in the least bit silly in my eyes. Animals have as much, or more, love in their hearts as humans. They depend on us; they trust us. My dogs keep me going too. The only reason I don’t list them as loved ones holding me back from suicide, is that I know my wife will always take care of them. So they would be safe even if I killed myself. But if it were only me and my dogs, I would have to stay and protect them.
–Will
Posted at November 11, 2009 on 8:24pm.
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susan at http:/http://ifyouregoingthoughhellkeepgoing.blogspot.com/
Are those your dogs on the bottom of the page? Just looking at their little furry faces made me smile.
Posted at November 11, 2009 on 11:23pm.
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jss at http://jssfive.blogspot.com
Hi Will – hey thanks for the shout-out. Nobody has ever done that before… I feel validated.
Posted at November 12, 2009 on 5:23am.
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Will at http://willspirit.com
Hi JSS–
I’m not sure what you mean by ‘shout-out.’ I hope you do not feel that I was angry or trying to put you down. And I certainly want you to feel validated. One goal of mine was to direct people to your blog. I respect you and your writing, and found the post on suicide intriguing. It’s an interesting question, whether we should be able to put our own agony in front of the feelings of others. Ultimately, every suicide is a decision to do just that. I don’t blame people for suicide, not even my mom. At the same time, I am terribly, acutely aware of the danger to the feelings and even the lives (if children are involved) of those left behind. If I did not have my experience with my mother, and the stepmother who followed her, it would not be a hot topic for me. I think we are obligated to fight as long as we can. But at some point, and I don’t know when that comes, the pain may become to insistent, too searing, and death may be the only option.
I thank you for your post. And your blog. And for reading my own work. Bless you.
–Will
Posted at November 12, 2009 on 6:59am.
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Will at http://willspirit.com
Susan–
Yes, those are Emily (the dachshund-chihuahua) and Ralphy (the poodle mix.) Lights of my life.
–Will
Posted at November 12, 2009 on 7:00am.
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jss at http://jssfive.blogspot.com
Hi Will
I meant that I appreciate you mentioning my blog that’s all. It’s nice to see that something I said was thought provoking for someone. I was 100% sincere in my thanks.
Posted at November 12, 2009 on 10:50am.
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Alison Rising at http://alisonrising.blogspot.com
I was moved to tears by your post. An insightful post on the morality of suicide. My husband said something to me once when I was feeling particularly suicidal that really helped me in its simple logic. He said “You’re going to die eventually. What’s the rush?”
Posted at November 12, 2009 on 2:33pm.
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Will at http://willspirit.com
Hi Alison–
Thank you. Your husband said a wise thing.
Life is so very short. The last ten years have just flown by for me, and I don’t expect too live all that many more decades. My grandfather (who endured depression back when the average person had no name for this suffering) told me during my first big crash, ‘the best thing about life is that you don’t have to live forever.’ Back when I was twenty, when he said that, it seemed like an empty promise. Now, thirty years later, I get it.
–Will
Posted at November 16, 2009 on 11:13pm.
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Margaret at http://YourWebsite
Will,
I am new to your site and read this entry today. I have debated the “morality” of suicide for 35 yrs now. So far I have made no attempts but the feelings can be strong + the thoughts are frightening. Could I really do it? Will I ever do it? That constricted thinking, in which I think only of ending my ongoing pain, is scary.
My mother had 2 “breakdowns” when I was growing up–first when I was 8 and again during my second week of medical school. Our father explained the first episode as “Mom is sick.” She was really never the same after that and was unable to fully “mother” us. It became a family secret. With the second episode I survived by burying myself into my studies. Over the years my mother seems less plagued with depression and has become an angry, bitter woman, with many regrets about her life.
Alison, I will forever remind myself of the comment “You are going to die eventually, so what’s the rush?”.
But we know the pain, the “psychache.” I fear that someday I will decide to euthanize my sad soul. For now, though, I will march on.
TY, Will, and all repliers, for being here.
Posted at January 8, 2010 on 3:34pm.
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Will at http://willspirit.com
Margaret–
Here are a few thoughts that get me through the darkest times:
**I’ve been very close to suicide many times. And yet on every occasion I’ve gone on to enjoy days that make me glad to be alive.
**We only live for a brief time, and then its over. On my worst days, I remind myself how fast the years go by as we age. The past ten years, for instance, seem to have really flown. So it will all be over soon. I’ll echo Alison: “Why rush it?”
**The best way to deal with depression may be to accept it rather than fight it. Whenever it hits, I look at it as bad weather in the brain, that I know will pass eventually. Rather than writhing in agony, wishing things were different, I ride it out.
It’s hard to be happy when our childhood memories are mostly sad, especially when our parents retreated into their own depressed moods rather than giving us the support we needed. Like you, I’ve battled my moods most of my life. It’s tiring, but (also like you) I keep going. I wish you luck in your battle to gain peace. In my own case, in the past few years I’ve managed to get to where my moods are much less distressing. It can be done.
–Will
Posted at January 8, 2010 on 4:18pm.
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Margaret at http://YourWebsite
TY, Will, for your words of support.
Posted at January 8, 2010 on 5:13pm.