Mark p.s.2 has commented on the glass half empty/full discussion on his site. What follows is my response.
The text below was altered in a few places on 2009 November 27, 07:50 pst.)
My intention is not to strip life of desire and emotion. Far from it. Thanks to Mark’s insights, I can see how what I’ve written might be seen that way. The goal of seeing the ‘glass’ neutrally is to separate reality as it exists outside my brain, versus the thoughts, feelings, opinions, and responses that reside within my mind. It is not to negate those internal activities.
As I’ve tried to emphasize, it is important to mourn what has been lost. This is true even if the loss is only conceptual. There are many purely mental phenomena that are of tremendous importance. For example, love. Most often in life, we are dealing with complex mixtures of actual and mental. For instance, consider how aging forces us to give up much in the way of health and vitality. Those are real losses. But we also are deprived of our sense of endless future, reckless love, and limitless expectations. These are symbolic bereavements. Future was never endless, love always had consequences, and our prospects were ever restricted. But we undergo a shift in perspective as we age, and losing that youthful excitement is a real deprivation even though it has no substance in physical terms. To ignore the impact of that loss would be to deny our humanity, as Mark points out in his own way.
To respond with balance to our surroundings, it behooves us to make the distinction between the conceptual and the concrete. I get weary and embarrassed always talking about the medication-induced injuries I’ve mentioned on previous posts. Still, those experiences are central to what I’m trying to say. Weathering that damage has required me to mourn the loss of certain views of myself, but also to recognize the limits of what’s changed. The lesson and practice in making those distinctions has required a kind of growth that I did not ask for, did not want, but have found very valuable now that it’s been accomplished. Ironically, clarity is the key to this improved basis for stability and sanity, and yet I lack the eloquence to make these foundations clear.
I’ve awakened to an understanding of the ways ‘thinking,’ almost by definition, is a distortion of the physical world. Or at least a lens that can and does change color, focus, zoom, etc.
Symbols and attachments are products of interpretation, and interpretations can change. We should not ignore our icons and desires, but we can recognize that they are add-ons to the physical world around us. We are creating them with our thoughts, attitudes, memories, personalities, etc. I always understood the reverence some show for the American flag, for instance. But I could never understand why people thought that symbol important enough to kill over. It’s only a piece of cloth, after all. That’s the kind of clarity I’m aiming for: respect for meaning, but not excessive attachment. My goal is not to eradicate desire, but to keep an eye on it. To recognize when it’s neither making sense nor serving me. (Love may not make sense, but can be very positive, so I might observe, enjoy, and plummet into it; I may speak up against injustice because the anger makes so much sense, even if doing so does not serve my external interests.)
As many times as I’ve tried to expound these ideas, I’m realizing two things: 1) the concepts are more complicated and subtle than I initially appreciated. Others (including Buddhists, and ACT & CBT experts) have explored this stuff with much greater depth and sophistication, and I suppose it is time I do more reading. 2) It’s a good thing I’m going to be working on my writing over the next couple of years, as I am inadequate to the task of saying what I mean in this case.
I appreciate these kinds of conversations. They force me to examine my core understanding, and sharpen my goals. Thank you, Mark.

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Lili at http://YourWebsite
Sounds like Mark inspired a change. Both inspiration and change are lovely gifts. Awesome.
Posted at November 27, 2009 on 9:52am.
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Will at http://willspirit.com
Lili–
Yes, Mark did help me see the hazard of mistaking emotional shutdown for neutrality. And yes, lovely gifts.
Blessings.
–Will
Posted at November 27, 2009 on 11:36am.
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mark p.s.2 at http://YourWebsite
Thank you, Will. I value these conversations as well.
Posted at November 29, 2009 on 3:42pm.
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Stan at http://YourWebsite
Age old philosophical questions: “half full or half empty”
I happen to look at this Glass analogy as neither a half full or half empty concept. For the Glass is but a vessel for which ever substance is added. The glass of substance is just what is; though we each choose to perceive it in varied forms and definition.
We innately have to power to not only influence the vessel by changing it’s size, volume, and shape; but also the ability to add what ever substance we wish with a myriad of endless possibilities. So the question should have never been whether this Glass was perceived as half full or empty; but how each of us choice to construct are own vessel and add our chosen level of contend carried within it.
So based upon this concept; we can take a multi-tiered approach considering all the finite and whimsical characteristics making it part of a whole living experience. The glass in essence is never stagnant; but a fluctuating principle of who and where we are at developmentally within a tide of flowing perceptions and emotional fluidity.
The glass is but a glass, and it’s content is but it’s content. From this perspective each starts at the place of true honest neutrality. From there, all the possibilities are deemed to hold some measure of validity open to change and interpretation.
If I were to use this analogy in practicality relating to our life experience; then I would present that each lived experience stands as it own vessel, though circumstances may tell us what we feel is loss and suffering in that moments accepted interpretations, this does not mean this vessel cannot be changed and manipulating into to something very different when those emotions are given and weighed fully as a neutral vessel/ endless possibilities/in constant motion principle.
So I experience loss/pain, then the rational/intellectual state tells me to give it some form of selected significance and place in life. Yet, if I also just accepted the concept of loss in a purely sensory being state, and felt it for exactly what it was fully in each moment. Then I would be be able to allow it take take a balanced and rightful place along side all other lived experiences held within my total life journey.
Once something is properly processed and given it rightful power; it then is but another treasured vessel left in our control to change and fill in any way we see fit.
If we are but the vast array of vessels filled with our experiences, then we also are able to control our own perceptions from a starting place of accepting the Glass as simply one of many Glasses filled by those changing aware/known/hidden/revealed/untold/unknown sources to whatever level we may ultimately choose. The resulting comfort that can be derived in this concept; is that loss/pain/circumstance are left open to a transformation into gain/empowerment/direction if allowed and chosen as the valid substance poured into our vessels.
a sum of two cents added to the peanut gallery on my part.
Posted at December 12, 2009 on 10:22am.
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Will at http://willspirit.com
Stan–
Thank you for leaving an interesting philosophical comment. I value analogies that give traction to one’s desire to integrate adversity into one’s history, and grow as a result. To view our minds as vessels helps. I might point out how the word ‘vessel’ can also refer to a boat. We become filled with our experiences as we journey across the sea of time, from birth to death. I don’t know why, but such imagery helps me find balance and peace.
–Will
Posted at December 12, 2009 on 3:56pm.